Below is a work session agenda item of 6 Lanes for 141 & ThrU. It was not discussed, last Monday. It is expected to be at the next meeting, hopefully, more complete ;)
The report covers the PM Peak Hour Analysis. This seems incomplete, and should have three points of view on the analysis, and include in this report.
1) The morning rush hours have a component that the other does not have: school traffic.
2) There are different nuances as the left turn traffic from 141 south to State Bridge east is not necessarily the same volumes in the mornings as in the evenings. The northbound 141 traffic that will be impacted by those U-turns is also much different in the evenings than in the mornings.
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3) The non-rush hour must also be evaluated because those drives are going to pay a cost in time and distance traveled, where there is no need to do them through the turn. Think at 9 pm in the evening. Going South on 141, would you really need to drive past State Bridge, and wait to make a U-turn to go to Whole Foods?
6 Lanes for 141 & ThrU
Thoughts on the 6 Lanes for 141 & ThrU?
Source: City of Johns Creek
If we did three thru lanes at all sides, maybe we can just keep the left turn light on longer, since more volume will flow thru straight with the third lane and we may not need to do the Michigan U Turn.
Agree!
I wonder if eliminating trucks even though 141 Is a state road, makes sense. I also think traffic should be diverted to Peachtree Industrial further north of State Bridge from MB. Peachtree Ind has less impact on residential areas and could widen more easily.
I like the idea of diverting to Peachtree Industrial. I think that was the idea when they added a third Lane on Peachtree Industrial between Abbotts Bridge and Pleasant Hill. Also there was some discussion of extending the limited access portion on PIB from where it ends at Holcomb Bridge to Sugarloaf Parkway about ten years ago, but it got cancelled.
Meyers Law on traffic states 'Traffic Will Flow To The Points Of Least Congestion'. This means that if this U Turn concept were to work and traffic flowed more smoothly, then more people would decide to use this intersection at peak hours and the congestion would return. Only an overpass can really solve this problem.
I really wish people would just spend the money to build out our infrastructure. An overpass would really make a huge difference, but good luck getting people to actually pay to improve their own community. Most people will bicker over any attempt to pay a few pennies more. If you read the comments on here, it's constant bashing of government of spending and complaining about taxes.
The rejection of an overpass doesn't have as much to do with money add it does with not wanting that intersection to turn into Winters Chapel or Jimmy Carter.
How about just making the intersection like Pleasant Hill and Buford Highway / Railroad tracks. Pleasant Hill goes under the railroad tracks and Buford Highway and opens up a bottleneck, without the larger scale intersections at Winters Chapel or Jimmy Carter.
There are no businesses or neighborhoods there. An overpass was an option 25 years ago, but it's too late now.
Yes it is too late, but 25 years from now, we might wish we would have used emminemt domain and bought out the Wells Fargo, BP Gas station and other required businesses to create the overpass